Who is serious about buying Supersix parts?

[Magnus]

I talk with Tom@Supersix regularly. He informed me today that there are 0 people interested in buying ported heads through him. ????

Let me just tell you.....

Thrasher heads.. forget about it!

Tom@Supersix works with 3.8 mustangs and has done some GREAT work and he has just started to work with the GM 3800 Series II. He did RiceCookers car and is doing my heads.

He knows what he is doing. I am very confident he will give me a great seat of heads that flow fantastic!

If everyone goes to some local guy, thats great. 1 guy in every state will have 1 3800 head porting experience...

But if some of us go through Tom@Supersix, he will learn more about porting our heads and come up with great things for us in the future.

He has done SO many good things with the 3.8 stang heads. Split ports, super ports.. its amazing the flow #'s he is comign up with.

He told me he will probably ditch the GM 3800 line of products....

I see so many of you with your future plans including Supersix. Are you serious about that or is that just a dream?

Tom does heads cheap too!
Heads: $489 + $125 core charge!
3 angle valve job & Assembly: $219

Those prices are awesome! Thats $708 for a set of assembled heads with a 3 angle valve job. THats a killer price!

Now, I can understand him for not grinding cams. Comp Cams is coming out with cams ground from cores and many people might want to go that route.

Tom ALSO came out with 1.73 roller rockers for our cars! They will be tested soon and should be available for us in the near future as well.

If some of you guys don't show interest any time soon, we will lose supersix as a vendor.

Head porting is an art. I would rather send my heads to someone who has done a set already for my engine. They know the limits. They know how far they can port without breaking into coolant passageways.

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com

[John]

I am very seriously thinking about it... But money is a factor... I would want to get everything at once, and I would be doing the install myself... I then would have to get the gaskets, and a new timimg chain (add another $200 to $300), and be without a car for a weekend or more...

It is one big mod, that I wish I had the money for right now... But unfortunately I have too many bills as it it :( Once I move into my new place (April 1) I should be able to save more (Rent will be like $200 cheaper than I am paying now.)

John

[Damien214]

I'm sure I'm getting heads from him in the next 6 months for sure. I just want to do all the engine work at once so I don't have to keep pulling the engine out. Roller rockers probably too.

[Damien214]

I'm sure I'm getting heads from him in the next 6 months for sure. I just want to do all the engine work at once so I don't have to keep pulling the engine out. Roller rockers probably too.

[John]

I have a question... Would there be more of a benefit to do the entire supersix package, vs. Just getting the ported heads, along with Comp Cams cam??

What is your best guesstimate of HP/TQ numbers between the 2 options... cause I would probably be able to swing without the upper and lower intake (money wise)...

Should I wait??? I don't want to do things half a$$ed or anything...

John

[Skinny]

I plan on getting these heads within the next couple months.. as soon as I come up with another $500 or so so I can afford the heads, valve job, core, and shipping. Hopefully by late January I'll have the order placed, and looks like I'll be doing the install myself again... lol, the stuff I get myself into! Anyways, I've emailed Tom regarding my interest.

EDIT: Well, last time I'll say I did something before it's done... I can't find an email address for him. Magnus?

However, there IS a message board at Supersix now.
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/forum/default.asp

[ December 12, 2001: Message edited by: 96BeastV6 ]</p>

[jughead]

I am also VERY serious Keith, but I say a good part of our population on this board are college kids.

I know I will get mine in Febuary.

[94-3.4]

I already contacted him about doing work on the 3.4 motor and he is willing. I will be sending my heads in this summer.

[Seppo Kaitainen]

Not to down any of Tom's work, but what about a cam that is a little more computer friendly?

From what I under stand this is the tragic flaw.

[TheBeast]

Hey, I've been very interested in the Supersix heads for a while. Once I get back from vacation and move into my place at college in January I'm gonna start dumpin the $$$ into my car. I'm goin to order some new gears, LSD, CIA headers, and then these heads would top it off nicely. I'm hoping that would be a good start for adding the "procharger 2.0" when it is completed. The only thing I need to know about the heads...how long would this leave my car undriveable? I guess with the "core" charge this means he has a set of heads there that he starts working on, then when I get the heads from him, my car is only undriveable while the new heads are being installed and my current heads are taken out? Then I simply ship him my heads and I get the $125 back right? Also, how much of the 75 claimed horsepower and torque is based from just the heads and 3 angle valve job? Thanks, the information is appreciated!

[Dominic]

Heads? Yes I will most definetly get them as well as a custom ground cam with ported and polished intake pieces, 3 angle valve job, the works.

Problem - Time. He has only had these pieces on the market for what... 6 months? He can't expect many people to just dive right in and purchase his product...

I personally have 2 problems dealing with time. The first is college, I am a poor college student so I won't be making enough money for the kit for 2 years. If the kit isn't available in 2 years, its his loss - not mine. He's already done the kit once, has the plans, I don't see how it hurts him to keep the plans around until business picks up smile.gif .

My second problem deals with warranty. I've got 16,000 more miles and about 1.5 years left - after that if I still want to keep the car I might do the heads (I'll probably keep the car).

In 2 years, I'll decide, but not before. Thats where I personally stand. If it was easy to cough up $1500-$2000 for heads/cam everyone would do it - the problem is that most of us can't just do that.

If we were rich, we wouldn't be driving V6 Firebirds/Camaros with lower insurance rates!

[DominusEtDeusNatus]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Seppo Kaitainen:
Not to down any of Tom's work, but what about a cam that is a little more computer friendly?

From what I under stand this is the tragic flaw.<hr></blockquote>


Don't like the cam, you can always get a custom one that's more to your liking.

[DominusEtDeusNatus]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John:
I have a question... Would there be more of a benefit to do the entire supersix package, vs. Just getting the ported heads, along with Comp Cams cam??

What is your best guesstimate of HP/TQ numbers between the 2 options... cause I would probably be able to swing without the upper and lower intake (money wise)...

Should I wait??? I don't want to do things half a$$ed or anything...

John<hr></blockquote>


Are you talking about Tom's cam vs a custom cam? There are like 100 different custom cam you can get so I don't think anyone can answer your question on that. Same for HP/TQ numbers.

[Deuce Bigs]

i planned on doing it in november but hit a rash of bills and now christmas. i don't see february being completely unfeasible however. the roller rockers however i will do when they come out. that's a much simpler install and decent power gain. if it's only $500 i would prolly do it first and in january if they are out by then.

[bluecmaro96]

well im definately going to do it, hopefully ill have all the cash this winter. maybe he can cut us a deal if several of us are going to do it. :D magnus i plan on getting puter programmed from superchips, what cam would be best? does tom still sell the cam he sold to ricecooker? can you give me your best opinion on which cam to use, lift duration etc???

[Deuce Bigs]

my problem with doing the heads and cam is i have to buy a few things first like maft+, custom pushrods, prolly same springs yougot, timing chain, might as well replace the waterpump while i'm at it cause that's a pain and i'm at 70K miles now, the crane cam, gaskets. then i'll be ready for the heads but i wanna do it all at once.

[BATMAN]

I am, but can't afford it till summer. I am saving up though.

[Mike Mayron]

I will definatly be buying a pair w/ the new 1.73 rocker arms but I need to get my other car running first. My problem is I can't afford the downtime ;)

I'd say w/i the next 3 months I'll be ording them.

[scottblack]

Guys, the heads and intake aren't aluminum are they? That is the only thing holding me back, i want aluminum. Maybe Nutek would make some aluminum 3.8 heads? I definitely am going to purchase the 1.73 rollers within the next 2-3 months, because it will be easier than a cam swap. With the rollers, would it be best to get the Thrasher springs too? I do plan on getting the Comp custom grind also with these.

Big thing is that I want aluminum, not stock iron block again.

Scott

[Deuce Bigs]

good luck getting aluminum stuff made. hope you're willing to spend at the very least $5000 on just heads for the v6. as much as everyone hates when this is said i gotta say it here. engine swap get a v8.

[Dominic]

you don't need aluminum heads, iron heads are best til you're going past 6,000revs... On top of that, theyre not only stronger, but they expand equally with the block.

Aluminum heads/Iron block - you're just asking for a blown head. Look at Ford/Toyota!

[JP98-3.8]

I'm looking into it too. I was just waiting till the custom computer comes around. BUT as long as it runs fine with the stock computer with no Service Enigne lights I can make my purchase sooner than I planned. I have the money for it, I was just waiting for the bugs to be worked out. Also, are headers a must with the package?

JP

[knowledgefreak]

Hey magnus what kind of setup do you suggest with a blower? Any specs on a cam? If you dont mind giving me a hand on the setup Im interested, depending on cost. If it is any where near 2000 Ill be doing an engine swap instead.

[xms]

Tell Tom to keep his pants on. I think I speak everyone here $$$time$$$$time is the hold up. I'm getting married in april. I would rather have a nice honeymoon than heads.(My Fiancé was MS Oklahoma and was in MS USA contest)She worth more than my car. And if you haven't seen it I would suggest you do. So if I didn't have that I would have got one months ago. And for the most part everyone here is a college student. If I was an old basterd I wouldn't have a V6 would I. Is Tom going to forget how to do it in 6month or a year. Will he knowledge expire?

[V6Bob]

"If I was an old basterd I wouldn't have a V6 would I?"

Mebbe :D .

bob (55)

[12secondv6]

I'm just waiting for results with a power adder smile.gif

[nino]

old bastard? i have been out of college for about 10 years now.
my concern is what else is needed with the package? i have read about needing the maft+, some people show interest in another cam, the 1.73 rollers (which i have no idea what they are.) it is easy for me to buy the package and pay someone to install it, i just want to know what else i need and why. if someone would email me with some knowledge, i would be extremely greatfull. my car is a 2000 and has 27,000 miles. is the power pack by itself good enough on a car?

[RiceCooker]

Ok guys, Once again, I'm here to set the record straight :rolleyes:
1. You don't NEED a computer tuning to run the Pak. It would optimize the Pak, but your car will run fine w/ out it. Yes, you will get the SES light, but if it bothers you that much, PULL THE BULB! Really, anything more "computer friendly" wouldn't be worth your money or work to install
2. You CAN get the computer custom progrmmed by SuperChips. No, they don't show it on their list on the website, but e-mail them and call them, and they'll do it for under 5 bills. I just haven't gotten around to doing it. Also, I'm may be looking at the MAFT instead, for now... which leads me to the next point...
3. The MAFT is not NEEDED for the Pak to work, but, like the custom computer, it will help optimize the potential of the Pak. Infact, it will do a lot of what computer tuning will do (change fuel and spark curves), but you will still have the SES light. again, if it bothers you, PULL THE BULB!
4. You don't NEED custom pushrods, the stock ones will do just fine. I had other problems, and that is why I ended up getting chromoly pushrods, but they are stock length. Nor do you NEED the titanium springs from Thrasher. It will be good to upgrade to them eventually, especially if you run any sort of poweradder, but it is not NEEDED for n/a
5. Things you WILL NEED: gasket head set, head bolts, timing chain cover gasket, timing chain (if you have close or over 30K miles, strongly suggested)
6. Things you SHOULD HAVE before getting PowerPak: CAI, cat-back, headers, free-flowing cat or straitpipe
7. This isn't like some other bolt-on. To gain a legitamate amount of power, you really should get all 5 pieces (cam, upper and lower intake, heads). The cam is what makes everything work well together. I really don't suggest getting only the heads, you'll see minimal gains at best, no gains, at worst. Is it really worth the money or time for install?
8. Results w/ poweradders? Well, someone has to be a pioneer, do I have to do that too? heads and intake alone w/ be a great help, let alone w/ the cam. My cam was specifically designed w/ n2o in mind. You can tell Tom if you plan on running a turbo or s/c and he will design a cam suited for that application.

I say all this b/c, like may things in life, there have been misconceptions about the PowerPak. It is a great mod, but it's not something simple, like a cat-back or a CAI. This is really a great gain in HP and a great gain in the V6 f-body community. It's not a matter of "he's not gonna forget how to do this in 6 months". Of course he won't, he does heads and cams for a living. It's a matter of he's gone out on a limb to expand our market, and now 6 months after the first install, the v6 community as a whole has yet to show any sign of viable interest in the Pak, just because of some "SES light" graemlins/crybaby.gif And don't say "it's his loss if he stops making them" b/c it's not. He's got a whole other market of v6 mustangs to live off of and apparently he's doing fine w/out us. It's our loss b/c by not showing interest in the Pak, he gets the message that we don't want more performance parts. That's funny, b/c that's not what everyone is whinning about? :confused: When I finished installing the Pak, Tom asked me what other parts we'd like, and I gave him a list. I asked him about it a couple months later and he told me he's prolly not gonna work on much more b/c of the lack of interest in the PowerPak, despite my solicitations all over the message boards. Geez, I guess that's our loss :mad:
Look, I know a lot of us are college students. Fine, but so am I. I go to school full time, work part time, and the only thing that my parents pay for is my insurance which is low b/c of a perfect driving record. I pay for everything from my car to my phone, and everything inbetween. And lets not the V6 stang community is prolly made up of a similar profile as us, yet they seem to have a larger market on their cars and have no problem supporting the market. And that's on a V6 motor that's been around for only 3 years. Our 3.8 has been out for how long? That's right over twice as long graemlins/dunce.gif !
And lets not forget the price issue. Comparable packages for LT1's or LS1's will be atleast $1000 more than what we pay.
I'm sorry for coming across rude or for being so long, but if you're gonna complain about not having a market, you better start buying when we DO have something. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut. Look, I can't twist everyone's arm into buying the Pak. I just don't want to hear excuses.
Royce

[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: RiceCooker ]</p>

[JP98-3.8]

Would the service engine light cause problems say for emissions, like not passing smog? Or is the light on not because thier is a real problem but becuase the computer is "confused" by the new cam?

[Ironman24]

James, I ran 108 mph with the ported intakes and SSM grind cam (210/214) plus a 100 wet shot. I'm sure it would have been more with the heads. Jan 12th I'm going to dyno the car with the bottle, I'm sure the results will be sufficient.

Royce makes many good points. Do not let a little lightbulb stop you from buying some real performance parts. I don't consider a car to be making any power untill you get an SES light. smile.gif Mine has been on for 2 years, doesn't bother me. If it's such a big deal then spend a few bucks at www.obd-2.com (http://www.obd-2.com) and get some software to scan and clear the codes. An SES light is an "idiot light". If there is something seriously wrong with your car, you drive it enough to know the slightest change. You don't need a light to tell you that.

We all know $$ doesn't grow on trees. If it did I'd already have heads. Since it doesn't I installed the cam myself. I got plenty of help from other local club members that made the install easier. If anyone buys the SSM package let me know, I made a list of part #'s and tools that you will need to install it.

[ItalianStallion1]

To JP98-3.8, I just had my car smogged and the light was on. I still passed. I have a CAI, headers, high flow cat, 3" I pipe, and a flowmaster. So, again, the light is NBFD.

[John]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ironman24:
If anyone buys the SSM package let me know, I made a list of part #'s and tools that you will need to install it.<hr></blockquote>


I just e-mailed SSM, and I think I may be buying this within the next 2 or 3 months, I just want to gather some information from them first (I also want it to get a little warmer). So any kind of list of needed materials would be greatly appreciated.

John

John

[Deuce Bigs]

hey Mike if you want to email it to me i'll make a quick webpage for it.

[Tiago]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by TheCardinal:


Aluminum heads/Iron block - you're just asking for a blown head. Look at Ford/Toyota!<hr></blockquote>

really? what about LT1s and L98s from vettes then? they are iron block/aluminum heads. hehe ;)

[RiceCooker]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by JP98-3.8:
Would the service engine light cause problems say for emissions, like not passing smog? Or is the light on not because thier is a real problem but becuase the computer is "confused" by the new cam?<hr></blockquote>

SES lights go on for different reasons. The codes I got were for random mis-fire and something about an emissions canister. As is, I don't think it would pass smog b/c it seems to run a bit rich, and that tends to release more hydrocarbon whatevers (the bad stuff, according to emisssions). Perhaps w/ some tuning w/ the MAFT, it will get better.

[bluecmaro96]

well i will be definately getting the powerpack within the next month :D yay 4 me, well the only thing stopping me from ordering is i want to run 2 more weeks at the track and try to hit my 14.4s again or better tongue.gif i then will remove the heads and all and send it out, is it 1500.00 counting core charge? do you get money back or something? so basically i have 2 send my upper and lower intake and the 2 heads and my cam to tom? i have chiltons to help with the removal of these parts but how much of a pita is it? i will also be getting puter programmed this winter and getting dr, cant wait till next year. if i had puter programmed would i seriously get close to 60-70 hrsp from the heads/cam install?, that would be sweet one more thing, i know a few things that set the ses off makes you lose power, will having the ses light from the powerpack result in me losing power?, i will have superchips do the puter will this solve all the problems and what all do i tell superchips to do to my puter thanks again guys

[ December 20, 2001: Message edited by: bluecmaro96 ]</p>

[Dominic]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Tiago NOS'd Bird:


really? what about LT1s and L98s from vettes then? they are iron block/aluminum heads. hehe ;) <hr></blockquote>

I didn't say it couldn't be done... But to redo an engine DESIGNED for iron heads to utilize aluminum ones is VERY risky. I drove a Toyota 3.4L for years with no problems (V6, 190hp etc)... yet Toyota continually had headgasket recalls on the trucks - I never took mine in because mine always ran cool and I never had an issue!

Our engines run so hot, and expand so much, it would really take a lot to make one work. I just don't feel its worth the time and effort for it unless you are planning on taking the engine over 7,000RPM for extended periods of time!

[Dominic]

Supersix require 91/93 octane? Or can it still run safely on 87 without knocking/powerloss?

[RiceCooker]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by TheCardinal:
Supersix require 91/93 octane? Or can it still run safely on 87 without knocking/powerloss?<hr></blockquote>

I'm using 89 w/ not problem whatsoever. Just b/c it the compression was raised to 9.6:1. But you definitely don't need 93 unless you're running juice.

As far as core goes, you don't need to send him your parts first. Put in the order, Tom already has parts to work on. You will be charged th $1500 + $200 (I think?) core charge. Once you install the new parts and return your old parts to him, the core charge will be refunded. With computer tuning you should see around a 60 hp gain to the flywheel, that's a little bit over 50 to the wheels. Either way you're looking at being very close to the predicted 270+ flywheel hp. And yes, once the computer is retuned, it should take care of the SES issues and any other issues you may have.

btw, the upper and lower intakes are of an aluminum composite (really light). It's just the heads that are iron, but it's not worth the $4000+ to have some built out of scratch

[pgriffith]

Tom be patient. I also plan on getting the whole supersix package. Give me about 3 months and I will place my order. But please be patient. If it makes it easier I can order one part at a time. I just cant afford all the parts at once. But I garuntee I will be placing my order in the next 3 months or so.

[ItalianStallion1]

I have 700 saved, give me about a month to have the rest. Than it's on. :cool:

[Guardiannknight]

Hello everyone,
Just wanted to add that Yeap, I'll be buying them within the next 8 to 10 months. So, tell Tom to hang in there. ;)

2000 V6 Camaro(bought brand new)
5 speed
Project: Unreal
Will give details when fin.
graemlins/burnout.gif

[veesix]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by pgriffith:
Tom be patient.....If it makes it easier I can order one part at a time. I just cant afford all the parts at once....<hr></blockquote>


This is my situation too. I plan on buying one part at a time starting at the end of feb. But I have to pay of Credit cards, I have a kid on the way that I have to save up for, and other things. But I plan on buying one piece at a time then putting them all on at once. If everyone here is SERIOUS about buying the parts from SSM then if they could just hang in their for about 6 more months hopfully the SSM sales for the GM 3.8 parts will increase. smile.gif I agree that it is great he is willing to help us out and make parts for our cars I have been wanting some one to make a heads/cam combo for a long time. and now that they make this combo I do not want to see this oppertunity go by. But I guess that only time will tell what happens. I for one, am going to try my best to purchase these parts in the (hopefully) near future :D

[Slim Asian]

I have to agree with Cardinal, I have a good 15,000 miles left on my warranty. Once it's up, I'll make my Firebird my kit car and hopefully get another car for a daily driver. Maybe a WRX or an RSX. hehehe i still want speed

-e

[navyblue2000]

Magnus, it really depends on the final word of what you say...if i can gain as much from the zzp rockers, and the comp cams cam, or just the ss heads and the comp cam...i might try that combo. I'm trying to go low buck (dammit i hate college). 1500 is just a little too high for me to swing. but if it's worth that extra money, when the time comes, count me in

[Magnus]

My honest oppinion..

Those clubgp rockers are nice. If your doing a cam, they are not needed and the money would be better spent elsewhere. LT1's see 5hp switching over to lightweight roller rockers. So expect to see maybe 4hp from going tot he same ratio roller rocker. Not worth $500.

I also do not like the idea of a 1.9:1 rocker. :eek:

I am all for Supersix heads! There is no question or anyone to compare to. Supersix is the way to go here.

Supersix is also the place to go if you want your upper and lower intakes ported and gasket matched. Will this make you gobs of HP, no. It will add a little and would help with the supersix package but if your looking to save money, here is the place.

Camshafts... thats a topic all on its own that is very debateable and several topic shave been posted a few weeks ago about the several available cams we have.

My thoughts as of today.

- Keith

[john00v6a4]

just give me a few more months to earn some more money at work to pay for them and i will be more than happy to buy the package from supersix. more than likely it will be in the summertime when my semester at college is finished and i can work more hours at my job.

[scottblack]

Magnus, here is what i have been thinking:

I don't want to pull the heads off yet. I am keeping this car for a long time, most likely forever, because it's paid for and i love it. So i want whatever i do to be as reliable as possible. I was thinking to have the upper intake manifold polished/ported, and have a cam, along with a stock GTP TB (suggested by Dee in another post). The cam would be the Comp Cams custom, very similar to the supersix but not as aggressive. I would also like to add nitrous after all that, but that is first on my list. Honestly do you think it would be worth it to do all that? I'm going to do it anyway, but just want your opinion. ;)

Scott

[bubba]

Yes, i also will most probably be getting mine in 3 months at the most. i just need to save up and ill have it by then. i think majority of use will.
Now, how do we do it. we place are orders then he send header that hes work on, then do we give him our stock heads? is that how the cam works to?
Also on the web site it said for 99 & new car. does he make the for the older ones like 96? graemlins/burnout.gif

[JP98-3.8]

I dont know if this has been brought up before. Will the jet chip work better with this package than the stock computer?

[Magnus]

I believe a MAF Translator Plus would work better for a Heads/Cam setup than a Jet Chip.

[JP98-3.8]

:confused: what exactly is that and where would you find it?

[JP98-3.8]

Also,
this is for whom has the package, have you had to smog you car yet, if not do you think there will be a problem when yo do smog? (This is the only thing holding me back from buying hte package today, the question of passing smog)

[MidLifeSpeed]

As mentioned in my sig ... the SS package is definitely on my list. Hopefully soon, but I want to do the headers at the same time, so I'm looking at $2K easy. Planning at this point to place an order by March.

[bluecmaro96]

hee hee i feel like a little kid in a candy store, well a fat kid in a candy store :D i will have 2000.00 after this sat sat is my b-day and am getting atleast 400.00 ill have 1600 after i sell my torque arm im in the process of removing the heads cam and upper and lower intake, tom needs all this right? will i be charged a core charge if i send all the parts right away? will it be easier to get to everything with motor out or in? i only lost about a pint of blood tonight messing with motor :D but at the end it will be worth it graemlins/fluffy.gif graemlins/fluffy.gif

[RiceCooker]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by JP98-3.8:
Also,
this is for whom has the package, have you had to smog you car yet, if not do you think there will be a problem when yo do smog? (This is the only thing holding me back from buying hte package today, the question of passing smog)<hr></blockquote>

I don't have to go through emission where I live. As is, I suspect that it wouldn't pass emissions b/c it smells like it's running pretty rich. Tuning w/ the maft may help, other wise, a custom program should settle make it emmisions-friendly.
Royce

[jc Kyle]

whatever happened with this? Wow that package sounds great!

[Dominic]

jesus mary and joseph... do not resurrect this stuff!

The supersix package has been out for a LONG time

www.supersixmotorsports.com (http://www.supersixmotorsports.com)

PLEASE DONT DO THIS STUFF.

[nino]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dominic:
jesus mary and joseph... do not resurrect this stuff!

The supersix package has been out for a LONG time

www.supersixmotorsports.com (http://www.supersixmotorsports.com)

PLEASE DONT DO THIS STUFF.<hr></blockquote>

what do you mean dont do this? this is what happens when someone does a search and is trying to find out information. if he had come on here and asked "if i get the power pack....." you would have been barking "do a search."

or

are you saying dont do the power pack?


:confused:

to the person interested in the power pack, i will tell you what happened to it. it is still there, still available and still proven. it just so happened that half these mofos saying they would get it shut up real quick when thier "6 months" "8 months" "summer" came around. it really was all a factor of money. seems nobody could really afford it. talk is cheap and this post proves it. then what made it worse was some dude - i wont tell you his name, but his initials are magnus, says he thinks the intakes really arent worth that much HP and the whole world believes him so they drop SSM like a bad habbit. it turns out that those who did put thier money where thier mouth is had some great runs and great times with thier car, but for some reason or the other, they have all ended up doing engine swaps. go figure.
if you ask me, i say get the power pack. the whole power pack - cam/heads/ and intakes. dont be a weenie. you wont be dissapointed. be prepared to spend money. around $3000 for everything. if you dont want to spend 3 large then save yourself some embarrasment and keep your hands closed and dont type "6 months" "8 months" or whatever. if you have any questions about the pack there are afew reputable people here that can answer all of your questions.

[2000fbodyV6]

Is this different than the Super ix package that is on the website or just the heads. Seems to me jsut save the $1900 and get everything that is on the website rather than the $1500 for the heads. If i am wrong please tell me. But I am also looking at the package after i get headers and a high flow cat. But also being in college I would probably look at a Spring date like May.

[2000fbodyV6]

Nino pretty much answered my questions.

[Silv6]

tom emailed me some stuff about it and one option (not power pak) is for $1350 get heads, 1.90 custom intake vavles, Comp Cam and springs. this sounds like a dam good deal and WILL deffently do this.

[Arctc Wolf]

The reason I haven't gotten the heads/cam yet is because of the labor and cost involved. When I do heads, I'll do the rest of the valvetrain as well, since it all has to come out anyways

[nino]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silv6:
tom emailed me some stuff about it and one option (not power pak) is for $1350 get heads, 1.90 custom intake vavles, Comp Cam and springs. this sounds like a dam good deal and WILL deffently do this.<hr></blockquote>

let us know how it turns out.

[317indy]

Did they ever come out with the 1.75 or whatever roller rockers?

[Silv6]

just need to save paychecks! and convence parents to let me spend?"waste" my money

[Bliggida]

Stage 5 Mustang 3.8 stuff. 320 RWHP :eek:
Stage 1 F-body 3.8L stuff. 40hp over stock. :rolleyes:

And he wonders why he can't sell anything?

Have you priced out the hp/$$$ he is asking? That good deal you are talking about is a joke.

1,500 dollars for 40 more horses. $37.50 a horse.
vs. supercharger $3,500 for 100 HP = $35 a horse.

When Tom decides to get serious about making horsepower in GM 3.8L's, he'll see more customers. He may be great at porting the stock heads. But don't expect business to thrive because you can port. Especially on an engine most people leave stock anyway.

Since he is the only one to make stuff for the 3.8L I'll still probably end up doing business with him if I keep the V6 plan alive.

Just trying to put it in perspective.

[Silv6]

guess you werent exactly a straight A student, i said $1350 for it which means 33.75 per pony. stangs are naturely slow and detuned. and have to use a power adder to get good numbers

[nino]

blig, what are you crunching pennies that much? its only $2.50.

well boys and girls we have another "just need to save checks." my friend, remember talk is cheap.
a wise man knows all the big words, but a smart man knows when to keep his mouth shut. but if you do go thru with it, let us know how it turns out.

[Bliggida]

There is a lot more speed to be found in the L36 cars. But only half of it is in the motor. And at that, all I am saying is that Tom and SSM are not putting out numbers that wow, other than the prices.

If he ever fabricates a street tunnel ram for the L36, I'll be all over it. I wonder if Edelbrock (Way way way on down the road) will ever venture into 3.8L territory?

[Silv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:

If he ever fabricates a street tunnel ram for the L36, I'll be all over it. I wonder if Edelbrock (Way way way on down the road) will ever venture into 3.8L territory?<hr></blockquote>

street tunnel ram what is that?

i doubt edelbrock would do this because GM quit making our beloved cars:&lt;, so the market is small

[nino]

what i am saying is that it is only $2.50 off of your superchargers price. do you want to spend a little or do you want to spend alot? it cost about the same at $2.50 difference. imagine having the power pack and a supercharger. what would that be worth?

[Rick M.]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:
Stage 5 Mustang 3.8 stuff. 320 RWHP :eek:
Stage 1 F-body 3.8L stuff. 40hp over stock. :rolleyes:

And he wonders why he can't sell anything?

Have you priced out the hp/$$$ he is asking? That good deal you are talking about is a joke.

1,500 dollars for 40 more horses. $37.50 a horse.
vs. supercharger $3,500 for 100 HP = $35 a horse.

When Tom decides to get serious about making horsepower in GM 3.8L's, he'll see more customers. He may be great at porting the stock heads. But don't expect business to thrive because you can port. Especially on an engine most people leave stock anyway.

Since he is the only one to make stuff for the 3.8L I'll still probably end up doing business with him if I keep the V6 plan alive.

Just trying to put it in perspective.<hr></blockquote>

do you have intake/exhaust? how much was your $/hp with that? mine was 190 (sale price)for CAI and 320 for exhaust...and I MAYBE gained 15 horses...that would be 34/hp...so I guess that supercharger would be a waste of money since its a whole dollar more per hp than my CAI and exhaust were :rolleyes:

[Dominic]

Blig, it is my firm opinion that porting the heads on a 3.8L is a worthless/useless waste of time UNTIL you need more airflow than it needs n/a. The gains produced from the powerpak are from the camswap alone. Given the proper cam, you will produce the most horsepower you can until you really do some hefty port work to do nifty things like increasing valve sizes.

[jc Kyle]

would the gains be better to get all those parts of the supersix pack individually? And not necessarily through him? I'd tried contacting him using the email address via the website and it said that it's no longer in service :confused: . Oh, thanks to nino for the backup against the moderator's wrath graemlins/rofl.gif You guys say 40 horses, but I thought it was more like 60? 30 from the mods, 30 from the computer tuning :confused:

[Silv6]

his email address is tyentzer@bellsouth.net
it worked or me.

[obsessedv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 317indy:
Did they ever come out with the 1.75 or whatever roller rockers?<hr></blockquote>

I talked to Tom last thursday about the 1.75 rocker arms ( adjustable of course) , and he said they would be about 2 weeks or so until he gets them.

[Bliggida]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silv6:
street tunnel ram what is that? <hr></blockquote>
A tunnel ram has a very large plenum. It is made more so for racing applications in an attempt to boost your top end horsepower near redline. They are very tall, and would come out of the hood without a large cowl induction.

This is a typical performance intake manifold for a Small Block Chevy (http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/edl-2101.jpg)
This will give you good torque from idle to 5500 RPM (This is the Edelbrock Performer intake)
Now look at the difference compared to a tunnel ram...
Summit's Tunnel Ram with dual carb. setup (http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/sum-cwnd303.jpg)
As you can see, it is noticeably larger and this intake does not make power until 3,500 RPM on up to 7,500 RPM. Low end torque is not a concern with an intake such as this.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Rick M.:
do you have intake/exhaust? how much was your $/hp with that? mine was 190 (sale price)for CAI and 320 for exhaust...and I MAYBE gained 15 horses...that would be 34/hp...so I guess that supercharger would be a waste of money since its a whole dollar more per hp than my CAI and exhaust were :rolleyes: <hr></blockquote>
The point was not that a supercharger is a waste of money, I don't know how you read that. My point is that the horsepower per dollar of what Tom is charging for the package isn't all that great. He is in a better position than I to do more, and I believe I can make as much power as he claims with about half the money he is asking. SO...for those of you that missed it, the basic point of what I said is that Tom is asking too much for so little a gain. He needs to increase the power, or decrease the price.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dominic:
Blig, it is my firm opinion that porting the heads on a 3.8L is a worthless/useless waste of time UNTIL you need more airflow than it needs n/a. The gains produced from the powerpak are from the camswap alone. Given the proper cam, you will produce the most horsepower you can until you really do some hefty port work to do nifty things like increasing valve sizes.<hr></blockquote>
When did I make the argument against anything you stated?

[camaro_speedemon]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:

When did I make the argument against anything you stated?<hr></blockquote>

Uh, I think he was agreeing with you because it's a waste of money.

[Bliggida]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
Uh, I think he was agreeing with you because it's a waste of money.<hr></blockquote> Well! I...um. Oh!

[nino]

its only a waste of money on 3.8s. oh sorry, i am a little bias at the moment.

[Bliggida]

I look at it as a neccesary evil. If you want to or trying to get to be the fastest. You gotta pay to have everything possible available for the 3.8L to do it.

This kit is a lot like the RKSport headers. For a long time it was ALL we had to choose from - and they leaked. So either stick with stock, or buy a set you'll have to re-weld. And at that, near 300 dollars - for headers!

Anyway, Nino, love the new signarture. Finally, the two-cylinder mod we've always been talking about.