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    Interesting read on American cars and trucks.




    From the Pittsburgh Post Gazette.


    By Roger Simmermaker (Commentary)
    Dec. 19, 2006

    Ford and General Motors have taken turns besting the Toyota Camry in quality surveys for the past two years, but if you talk to many Americans – especially the ones who would never consider supporting home-based auto companies – you'd never know it.

    Last year, the Chevrolet Impala beat the Camry in initial quality, according to J.D. Power & Associates. And Consumer Reports just announced that both the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan scored higher than both the Camry and the Honda Accord this year.

    Even as GM and Ford have accumulated award after award on vehicle quality, you'd almost never know about such quality gains made by American companies.

    There's also the mythical perception that foreign automakers produce the most fuel efficient cars and that Detroit only makes gas-guzzlers when the truth is that all automakers – including Toyota, Honda and Hyundai-Kia alike – have allowed fuel economy to slide in the past 20 years since they all now sell bigger trucks and more SUVs.

    Perhaps the biggest perception problem is that American automobile companies GM and Ford – Chrysler is now German-owned – squander all their money on plants overseas and foreign automakers build their factories in the United States. Foreign car lovers will surely point to Kia's plans to build its first-ever U.S. plant in Georgia, but they probably won't mention that they received $400 million in tax giveaways to do it, which translates into $160,000 per job.

    Among the many benefits for the foreign-owned company, your tax dollars are going to be used for road improvements surrounding the complex, complete with flower beds and other beautification features. Hey, as long as we're going to allow states to bid for private jobs with our public tax dollars, we might as well make it look good, right?

    And the foreign car lovers will probably also not tell you (or maybe they just don't know or don't want you to know) that GM and Ford pour more money into existing American facilities than foreign automakers spend on new plants, usually with little or no tax breaks. GM has already spent more than $500 million upgrading two transmission plants this year, and has spent nearly a billion dollars over the last decade, for example, for facility upgrades in Texas.

    And what do GM and Ford get for making their existing plants more efficient? It isn't tax breaks. Instead, they get accusations of not being "competitive" enough! Maybe here I should also mention that the average domestic parts content for Kia is 3 percent, while the average domestic parts content of Ford and GM is 78 percent and 74 percent, respectively. This means that buying a U.S.-assembled (or even foreign-assembled, for that matter) GM or Ford supports more American jobs than a U.S.-assembled car or truck with a foreign nameplate.

    Fortunately for our benefit, the United States remains the overall global leader in research and development, and a big reason for that is that American automakers. According to the Level Field Institute, U.S. car companies invest $16 billion in research and development annually, outpacing any other industry one could name.

    Admittedly, the Level Field Institute counts German-owned DaimlerChrysler as an American automaker, so Ford and GM's combined R&D contribution to America is closer to around $12 billion. But who's counting, right? Certainly not the American auto-bashing media.

    Japanese companies do employ 3,600 American workers in R&D, but that still leaves the foreign competition behind in the dust staring at American rear bumpers – 3,600 sounds like a big number until you realize that 65,000 Americans work in R&D facilities in the state of Michigan alone. In fact, two of the top four R&D spending companies in America as reported by the Wall Street Journal are – you guessed it – Ford and GM. The other two are also American companies: Pfizer and Microsoft.

    Ford has recently made headlines as the American automaker with the most challenges to its future, but these challenges certainly are not because they "aren't making cars people want to buy." Toyota did outsell Ford in July, but since then, Ford has reclaimed the No. 2 spot.

    GM has the highest market share, increasing over 2 percentage points from a year ago, so it apparently can't be accused of not making cars people want to buy either. Ford sales also are up in Europe, and Ford doubled its sales in China, where GM has the highest market share of any automaker.

    GM also reported a 3.9 percent rise in August vehicle sales despite high gas prices and a supposedly slowing economy. And even though Toyota reported record sales that month, it couldn't match the non-record setting sales volume of Ford. GM's sales rose 17 percent in October from the year-ago month and Ford sales rose 8 percent the same period.

    And for all the talk about the lack of fuel efficiency of American automakers, it seems three-fourths of all automakers failed to meet Europe's improved fuel-efficiency standards intended to cut carbon-dioxide emissions. Japanese and German automakers topped the list of the study's worst performers, but according to an environmental group's study, GM's Opel division and Ford both "come out well."

    In closing, I'll leave some encouraging numbers for those of us who actually like to root for and support the home team. The J.D. Power 2006 Vehicle Dependability Survey reports that Mercury, Buick and Cadillac (in that order) grabbed the No. 2, 3 and 4 spots to beat Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW and everyone else (except Lexus) in having the least number of problems per 100 vehicles.

    Perhaps someday the American media will give GM and Ford the credit they deserve. And once they do, perception among the majority of the American public will rightfully change. GM and Ford aren't only doing what they should to make gains in the American market to deserve American consumer loyalty; they're also doing what they should to make gains in the markets of China, Europe and across most of the rest of the globe.

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  • #2
    Re: interesting read.

    I agree!!

    Is just that Car Magazines are always singing praises to those Jap. cars and stomping on American cars and labelling it cheap.

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    • #3
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      Good read, thanks for posting that.
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      • #4
        Re: interesting read.

        good article, lots of facts, and yes....i agree.

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        • #5
          Re: interesting read.

          :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
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          • #6
            Re: interesting read.

            Couldn't agree more. People just love to bash things without knowing anything about them. Same reason so many people bash Microsoft. Band wagons are fun!

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by HokieBird
              Couldn't agree more. People just love to bash things without knowing anything about them. Same reason so many people bash Microsoft. Band wagons are fun!
              QFT! :tup: Good article.


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              i mean, you can always fly wes out there and since he's a tool sometimes, fashion him into a plow for the maro
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by HokieBird
                Band wagons are fun!
                I agree!


                I wish I could remember the numbers, but GM pays out some ridiculous amount to retirees' pensions every year. Toyota only had like 80 U.S. retirees at the time and paid out very little. Thus, they could cut prices of cars more than GM.


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                • #9
                  Re: interesting read.

                  I just found another article that kinda branches off of this one.

                  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061222/bs_nm/ford_dc

                  check it out

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                  • #10
                    Re: interesting read.

                    America needs to wake up

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                    • #11
                      Re: interesting read.

                      NAFTA needs to go before we all end up in the bread lines jobs are leaving this country and going to place where they pay y a peso a day some company pres can say we helping the 3rd world while the same guy that put 5000 workers on welfare here this courty needs to put a stop to companys going to other countrys that just my 2cents
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                      • #12
                        Re: interesting read.

                        mmm... NAFTA isnt gonna hurt us really. yeah, a decent amount of stuff comes from mexico but not too much. believe me, you get what you pay for. part of my job is dealing with all the mexican screw ups.

                        and the article is a breath of fresh air. really, i'm sick of all the auto magazines having a blatent bias towards foreign cars. yeah, bimmers are nice and yeah, toyota can make a good car, but if you stack it up next to an american car, they're of comperable quality and when you consider all the crap that the domestic OEMs have to put up with, with the UAW (no offense to anyone but lets be honest... dealing with unions sucks), the bad press and price undercuts i'm surprised we can engineer cars as well as we do.
                        I still think that Hondas make the best small motors but cars are so much more than just a motor.
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                        • #13
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                          1. NAFTA has nothing to do with the original point of this thread.

                          2. I agree with the article. There has been an anti-US auto propaganda machine going for for over 30 years. It is so ingrained now that people just accept it as fact or a normal state of being. Consumer Reports has long been the propaganda leader.
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                          • #14
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                            my 94 toyota camry w/ 2.2 L gets worse mpg than my 96 3800 camaro...by like 3 mpg and it's a lot lighter, 2 less cyl, and 1.6L less than the maro
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                            • #15
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                              ^^^ that's sad. Sell that POS.
                              -Eric<br />2002 Navy Blue Camaro...Striped and Stalled. 35th Anniversary SS wheels <br />Best ET: 15.384 @ 88.32 on street tires<br />Project Whitney: Goal, 14.0 1/4 by summer 2008.

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